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		<title>By: the muslim world&#8230;vol. 2 &#171; life as it happens</title>
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		<dc:creator>the muslim world&#8230;vol. 2 &#171; life as it happens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] oil = less freedom&#8230;or does it? New research suggests that the &#8220;oil curse&#8221; commonly associated with petrol-rich, authoritarian [...]</description>
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		<title>By: From Poverty to Power by Duncan Green &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hacked emails; African remittances; leaving Haiti; the carbon slump; oil isn&#8217;t a curse; what happened in Davos; the BASIC coalition and a new &#8216;triple crisis&#8217; blog: links </title>
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		<dc:creator>From Poverty to Power by Duncan Green &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hacked emails; African remittances; leaving Haiti; the carbon slump; oil isn&#8217;t a curse; what happened in Davos; the BASIC coalition and a new &#8216;triple crisis&#8217; blog: links </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 09:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Martin argues that the ‘oil curse’ is a myth (and has the research to prove [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 02:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments everyone. I was out of town when this was posted, so sorry for not weighing in earlier. Just a few points-
I&#039;m highly sympathetic to Eric Meade&#039;s response. My interest in these studies was precisely in how easily this myth spread with just a few anecdotes and some bad econometrics. I think the abundance vs. dependence argument is a great example of why we shouldn&#039;t take data as unambiguous representations of reality. Our bias should be toward skepticism of sweeping empirical claims. And we should give all sorts of empirical methods space to operate precisely because it is so hard to get the facts straight.
The Brunnschweiler-Bulte piece is, by the way, OLS.
Just a couple points that misunderstood what I was saying:
-I&#039;m not claiming there are no ill effects associated with natural resources. I&#039;m saying these studies failed to find evidence that resources systematically effect democracy, growth, or development, and most of the popular studies that do have fundamental flaws.
-It&#039;s also not the case that these studies (or I) claim that there are NO countries that fit the Curse story, but that it&#039;s not the systemic phenomenon other studies had argued for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments everyone. I was out of town when this was posted, so sorry for not weighing in earlier. Just a few points-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m highly sympathetic to Eric Meade&#8217;s response. My interest in these studies was precisely in how easily this myth spread with just a few anecdotes and some bad econometrics. I think the abundance vs. dependence argument is a great example of why we shouldn&#8217;t take data as unambiguous representations of reality. Our bias should be toward skepticism of sweeping empirical claims. And we should give all sorts of empirical methods space to operate precisely because it is so hard to get the facts straight.</p>
<p>The Brunnschweiler-Bulte piece is, by the way, OLS.</p>
<p>Just a couple points that misunderstood what I was saying:</p>
<p>-I&#8217;m not claiming there are no ill effects associated with natural resources. I&#8217;m saying these studies failed to find evidence that resources systematically effect democracy, growth, or development, and most of the popular studies that do have fundamental flaws.</p>
<p>-It&#8217;s also not the case that these studies (or I) claim that there are NO countries that fit the Curse story, but that it&#8217;s not the systemic phenomenon other studies had argued for.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo from Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo from Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of a resource trap, because there does seem to be something going on. Australia was, for example, a significantly richer (per capita) country than the US throughout the C19th and early C20th. We adopted a &quot;Deakinite&quot; policy model aimed at (rural) exploiting resource-exporters for urban (union and manufacturing) interests via protection and wage arbitration. The long-term economic results were not good (though not disastrous either, due to the strength of our basic institutional structure). Our economic performance (particularly our comparative economic performance) has improved markedly as that policy system has been largely dismantled.
But when I look at the oil-rich theocracies ISaudi Arabia, Iran) of the Middle East and compare that to the effect of silver on Iberia, particularly Spain, from the C16th-C18th, there are some strikingly similar patterns: autocracy, de-commercialisation, aggressive religious obscurantism. We forget that medieval Spain was a pioneer of parliamentarism (giving merchants representation via elected delegates was a Spanish, not an English, innovation: the English copied it later). The flood of silver undermined both parliamentarism and what had been a highly commercial society by giving the Crown the financial power to buy off/ignore commercial and other interests that the Dutch and English were forced to incorporate into their political processes. The Crown could also be as religiously obscurantist as they liked: which turned out to be quite a lot--after all, it provided a way of sorting who was &quot;in&quot; and who was &quot;out&quot; (how to be &quot;in&quot;) when it came to handing out the goodies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of a resource trap, because there does seem to be something going on. Australia was, for example, a significantly richer (per capita) country than the US throughout the C19th and early C20th. We adopted a &#8220;Deakinite&#8221; policy model aimed at (rural) exploiting resource-exporters for urban (union and manufacturing) interests via protection and wage arbitration. The long-term economic results were not good (though not disastrous either, due to the strength of our basic institutional structure). Our economic performance (particularly our comparative economic performance) has improved markedly as that policy system has been largely dismantled.</p>
<p>But when I look at the oil-rich theocracies ISaudi Arabia, Iran) of the Middle East and compare that to the effect of silver on Iberia, particularly Spain, from the C16th-C18th, there are some strikingly similar patterns: autocracy, de-commercialisation, aggressive religious obscurantism. We forget that medieval Spain was a pioneer of parliamentarism (giving merchants representation via elected delegates was a Spanish, not an English, innovation: the English copied it later). The flood of silver undermined both parliamentarism and what had been a highly commercial society by giving the Crown the financial power to buy off/ignore commercial and other interests that the Dutch and English were forced to incorporate into their political processes. The Crown could also be as religiously obscurantist as they liked: which turned out to be quite a lot&#8211;after all, it provided a way of sorting who was &#8220;in&#8221; and who was &#8220;out&#8221; (how to be &#8220;in&#8221;) when it came to handing out the goodies.</p>
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		<title>By: Det är inte institutionerna, dumbom &#171; Niklas Elert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Det är inte institutionerna, dumbom &#171; Niklas Elert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] länder i Afrika drabbats av. Fast egentligen handlar det ju inte om naturresurserna, utan om institutioner. Jag minns att jag förde ungefär samma resonemang i en trafikstockning i Kenya i höstas, men det [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Eric Meade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 16:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>QG, let me try to elaborate.  Any person, system, or society will have two types of variables – quantitative and qualitative.  For example, some quantitative variables that describe me are my height, weight, and annual income.  Some qualitative variables that describe me are my race, belief system, and culture.  Econometrics and statistics deal with quantitative variables.  Faced with a specimen that has both quantitative and qualitative variables, a strictly econometric analysis will be blind to the qualitative variables, or more accurately, will misinterpret qualitative variables as the manifestation of a set of quantitative variables.
Imagine, for example, that you met a few Germans, all of whom had blond hair and blue eyes.  (Color is presented here as a quantitative measure of light.)  An econometric analysis would miss the German-ness of the specimens, and would have to conclude that blond hair causes blue eyes, and blue eyes cause blond hair.  (This is not dissimilar from Collier’s discussion of low income and conflict in The Bottom Billion.)  If German-ness were for some reason viewed as undesirable (no offense to Germans – just using a metaphor here), then you may decide to intervene to pull the person out of the “German trap.”  You might simultaneously dye the person’s hair brown and give him or her brown-tinted contact lenses, thinking that by adjusting these quantitative variables you would eradicate the person’s German-ness.  But without a qualitative change in the individual from German to, say, Chinese, the person is still German underneath the brown hair and brown eyes.
Similarly, I would suggest that a “poverty trap” is a qualitative difference seen through the lens of a quantitative analysis.  Because qualitative differences are not allowed by econometric analysis, they must be the outcome of mutually reinforcing quantitative variables, such as low income and high rates of conflict.  The conclusion is that if we could just pull societies out of that mutually reinforcing quantitative quagmire (e.g., military intervention leading to peacekeeping, institution building, and economic growth), then all would be right with the world.  I’m not ruling out these types of interventions, but they will be successful only if they account for the qualitative, subjective aspects of that society’s culture and evolution.  I’d suggest this is what the U.S. has been learning in Afghanistan.
Regarding your question, it would absolutely be appropriate to use econometrics to study the conditions that support “social learning” across China.  That type of analysis is necessary, but not sufficient.  I would also want to study the cultural differences across China (ethnography), the developmental differences between and within the populations (developmental psychology), and other qualitative factors that would indicate whether “learning” or “co-evolution” – and not just material development – is actually taking place.  My argument is not one of “either/or;” it is “both, and.”
Similarly, you mentioned the value of RCTs, which is real.  But think about RCTs in a health setting: Drug A may be more efficacious on average than Drug B, but I may be genetically unable to produce the enzyme required to break Drug A down into its active components.  So for me, maybe Drug B is better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>QG, let me try to elaborate.  Any person, system, or society will have two types of variables – quantitative and qualitative.  For example, some quantitative variables that describe me are my height, weight, and annual income.  Some qualitative variables that describe me are my race, belief system, and culture.  Econometrics and statistics deal with quantitative variables.  Faced with a specimen that has both quantitative and qualitative variables, a strictly econometric analysis will be blind to the qualitative variables, or more accurately, will misinterpret qualitative variables as the manifestation of a set of quantitative variables.<br />
Imagine, for example, that you met a few Germans, all of whom had blond hair and blue eyes.  (Color is presented here as a quantitative measure of light.)  An econometric analysis would miss the German-ness of the specimens, and would have to conclude that blond hair causes blue eyes, and blue eyes cause blond hair.  (This is not dissimilar from Collier’s discussion of low income and conflict in The Bottom Billion.)  If German-ness were for some reason viewed as undesirable (no offense to Germans – just using a metaphor here), then you may decide to intervene to pull the person out of the “German trap.”  You might simultaneously dye the person’s hair brown and give him or her brown-tinted contact lenses, thinking that by adjusting these quantitative variables you would eradicate the person’s German-ness.  But without a qualitative change in the individual from German to, say, Chinese, the person is still German underneath the brown hair and brown eyes.<br />
Similarly, I would suggest that a “poverty trap” is a qualitative difference seen through the lens of a quantitative analysis.  Because qualitative differences are not allowed by econometric analysis, they must be the outcome of mutually reinforcing quantitative variables, such as low income and high rates of conflict.  The conclusion is that if we could just pull societies out of that mutually reinforcing quantitative quagmire (e.g., military intervention leading to peacekeeping, institution building, and economic growth), then all would be right with the world.  I’m not ruling out these types of interventions, but they will be successful only if they account for the qualitative, subjective aspects of that society’s culture and evolution.  I’d suggest this is what the U.S. has been learning in Afghanistan.<br />
Regarding your question, it would absolutely be appropriate to use econometrics to study the conditions that support “social learning” across China.  That type of analysis is necessary, but not sufficient.  I would also want to study the cultural differences across China (ethnography), the developmental differences between and within the populations (developmental psychology), and other qualitative factors that would indicate whether “learning” or “co-evolution” – and not just material development – is actually taking place.  My argument is not one of “either/or;” it is “both, and.”<br />
Similarly, you mentioned the value of RCTs, which is real.  But think about RCTs in a health setting: Drug A may be more efficacious on average than Drug B, but I may be genetically unable to produce the enzyme required to break Drug A down into its active components.  So for me, maybe Drug B is better.</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Griot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Griot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 15:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eric, thanks for the discussion, I take your points about evolution vs. reform.  I still don&#039;t seem, though, how it is econometrics that leads to the conclusion that poverty is a series of traps that require big reforms to escape from.  I would characterize the latter as a view that some economists hold, not a logical consequence of the use of econometrics.
For example, what if someone were to use econometrics to study the conditions that best foster the &quot;social learning&quot; that Ellerman talks about, for example, by comparing the pace of economic development in different parts of China, and then trying to draw conclusions that could inform policy.  Would this be objectionable?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eric, thanks for the discussion, I take your points about evolution vs. reform.  I still don&#8217;t seem, though, how it is econometrics that leads to the conclusion that poverty is a series of traps that require big reforms to escape from.  I would characterize the latter as a view that some economists hold, not a logical consequence of the use of econometrics.</p>
<p>For example, what if someone were to use econometrics to study the conditions that best foster the &#8220;social learning&#8221; that Ellerman talks about, for example, by comparing the pace of economic development in different parts of China, and then trying to draw conclusions that could inform policy.  Would this be objectionable?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Meade</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Meade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 05:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Quiet Griot if I was unclear.  My intent is not to throw out econometrics altogether, but simply to recognize its limitations.  We need to measure outcomes, but shouldn’t we also account for the fact that many of these models assume a Newtonian determinism long abandoned by complexity theory, developmental psychology, and even modern physics?  Because we limit our inquiry to linear and quantitative measures, we conclude that poverty is just a set of unfortunate “traps” from which a “once-and-for-all big push” (Collier’s term) can deliver us.  We talk about “reform&quot; (objective and institutional), but what we really need is “evolution” (subjective and societal), or rather “co-evolution” between the objective environment and the subjective human society.  (See also &quot;social learning&quot; in David Ellerman&#039;s post above.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Quiet Griot if I was unclear.  My intent is not to throw out econometrics altogether, but simply to recognize its limitations.  We need to measure outcomes, but shouldn’t we also account for the fact that many of these models assume a Newtonian determinism long abandoned by complexity theory, developmental psychology, and even modern physics?  Because we limit our inquiry to linear and quantitative measures, we conclude that poverty is just a set of unfortunate “traps” from which a “once-and-for-all big push” (Collier’s term) can deliver us.  We talk about “reform&#8221; (objective and institutional), but what we really need is “evolution” (subjective and societal), or rather “co-evolution” between the objective environment and the subjective human society.  (See also &#8220;social learning&#8221; in David Ellerman&#8217;s post above.)</p>
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		<title>By: Quiet Griot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quiet Griot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 03:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Curse story does not claim that Nigeria is Britain plus oil, but rather that Nigeria is less democratic than Nigeria would be in the absence of oil. One way to get around this problem is to test whether oil makes country X less democratic using panel data with fixed country effects.&quot;
But the problem with Nigeria is that its political institutions *formed* in the context of natural resource abundance.  You can&#039;t use country level fixed effects to account for that, because there wasn&#039;t a country except very briefly before the oil.  The approach of the 2nd study in this context- using other West African countries as a baseline- is not very convincing at all (to me anyway).  In the context of Nigeria, it&#039;s hard for me to see how any reasonable observer could conclude that oil has not been detrimental to institutional development.
I don&#039;t agree with Eric&#039;s blanket statement that econometrics is not a good tool for thinking about development.  Rather, the problem is more that economists abuse econometrics all the time, and unless you&#039;re an economist yourself (and often not even then) you don&#039;t really have any basis to seperate the wheat from the chaff.  Eric&#039;s point is very much a valid indictment of the discipline and the way many economists go about things, but let&#039;s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  A good, hard, honest look at the data is the one of the best tools we have for evaluating a lot of aspects of development.  I agree that development economists should stop goofing around with fancy methodological tricks and stick to the basics; this to my mind is probably the most persuasive argument in favor of the recent trend toward RCTs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Curse story does not claim that Nigeria is Britain plus oil, but rather that Nigeria is less democratic than Nigeria would be in the absence of oil. One way to get around this problem is to test whether oil makes country X less democratic using panel data with fixed country effects.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the problem with Nigeria is that its political institutions *formed* in the context of natural resource abundance.  You can&#8217;t use country level fixed effects to account for that, because there wasn&#8217;t a country except very briefly before the oil.  The approach of the 2nd study in this context- using other West African countries as a baseline- is not very convincing at all (to me anyway).  In the context of Nigeria, it&#8217;s hard for me to see how any reasonable observer could conclude that oil has not been detrimental to institutional development.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with Eric&#8217;s blanket statement that econometrics is not a good tool for thinking about development.  Rather, the problem is more that economists abuse econometrics all the time, and unless you&#8217;re an economist yourself (and often not even then) you don&#8217;t really have any basis to seperate the wheat from the chaff.  Eric&#8217;s point is very much a valid indictment of the discipline and the way many economists go about things, but let&#8217;s not throw the baby out with the bathwater.  A good, hard, honest look at the data is the one of the best tools we have for evaluating a lot of aspects of development.  I agree that development economists should stop goofing around with fancy methodological tricks and stick to the basics; this to my mind is probably the most persuasive argument in favor of the recent trend toward RCTs.</p>
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		<title>By: David Ellerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Ellerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comments on this post are contained in a post, Development or just poverty reduction?, on my blog at: http://www.blog.ellerman.org/2010/02/development-or-just-poverty-reduction/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comments on this post are contained in a post, Development or just poverty reduction?, on my blog at: <a href="http://www.blog.ellerman.org/2010/02/development-or-just-poverty-reduction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.blog.ellerman.org/2010/02/development-or-just-poverty-reduction/</a></p>
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