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	<title>Comments on: Cui Bono? The murky finances of Project (RED)™</title>
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		<title>By: bockirrib</title>
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		<dc:creator>bockirrib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems like you are a real professional. Did you study about the theme? haha..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems like you are a real professional. Did you study about the theme? haha..</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Bernholz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucy Bernholz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great post that raises all the key questions and issues - this one being most important:
&quot;...the consumer never knows who is paying how much to whom.&quot;
It is ironic that in the name of &quot;sustainability&quot; we see the creation of enterprises (LLCs) that have less strict public reporting rules than 501c3s, so that the LLC can legally not reveal its expenses, which obviously influence the profit calculation (or, in this case, the donation amount).
These multi-headed relationships between private companies, charitable donations, fundraising, product sales, and nonprofit organizations are the logical result of trends such as sustainability, social enterprise, and embedded giving. They allow for the claim of transparency - and Ogden is right, RED reports more (or rather GAVI reports more) than most of these efforts, but we still can&#039;t answer that basic question - &quot;who is paying how much to whom and for what?&quot; In my opinion, anything that makes it harder to answer that question is not advancing the cause of transparency.
Thanks for blogging about the report - I look forward to reading it.
Lucy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post that raises all the key questions and issues &#8211; this one being most important:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;the consumer never knows who is paying how much to whom.&#8221;</p>
<p>It is ironic that in the name of &#8220;sustainability&#8221; we see the creation of enterprises (LLCs) that have less strict public reporting rules than 501c3s, so that the LLC can legally not reveal its expenses, which obviously influence the profit calculation (or, in this case, the donation amount).</p>
<p>These multi-headed relationships between private companies, charitable donations, fundraising, product sales, and nonprofit organizations are the logical result of trends such as sustainability, social enterprise, and embedded giving. They allow for the claim of transparency &#8211; and Ogden is right, RED reports more (or rather GAVI reports more) than most of these efforts, but we still can&#8217;t answer that basic question &#8211; &#8220;who is paying how much to whom and for what?&#8221; In my opinion, anything that makes it harder to answer that question is not advancing the cause of transparency. </p>
<p>Thanks for blogging about the report &#8211; I look forward to reading it. </p>
<p>Lucy</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Raphael
w/r/t your first two comments, i think what&#039;s at issue here is whether the regulatory frameworks should be adjusted so that these disclosures must be made (assuming there isn&#039;t already room enough under the concept of professional fundraiser to include Red).
on number 3, i have to disagree with you. while i don&#039;t expect these types of advertisements to give a full picture of their effects, there should definitely be some degree of proportionality. and for this to be the case, there needs to be more transparency so that consumers can know just how much of their money is going to global fund when they buy Red</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Raphael</p>
<p>w/r/t your first two comments, i think what&#8217;s at issue here is whether the regulatory frameworks should be adjusted so that these disclosures must be made (assuming there isn&#8217;t already room enough under the concept of professional fundraiser to include Red).</p>
<p>on number 3, i have to disagree with you. while i don&#8217;t expect these types of advertisements to give a full picture of their effects, there should definitely be some degree of proportionality. and for this to be the case, there needs to be more transparency so that consumers can know just how much of their money is going to global fund when they buy Red</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what the &quot;other side&quot; have been up to in terms of scientific distortion:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/dec/07/george-monbiot-blog-climate-denial-industry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s what the &#8220;other side&#8221; have been up to in terms of scientific distortion:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/dec/07/george-monbiot-blog-climate-denial-industry" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/georgemonbiot/2009/dec/07/george-monbiot-blog-climate-denial-industry</a></p>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 05:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with some of the arguments here, but not all. As far as I can tell, there are four criticisms:
1. The Persuaders doesn&#039;t disclose salary and overhead costs. [But Persuaders is not a nonprofit, so I buy their argument that they don&#039;t HAVE to. However, I still think they should disclose to encourage trust.]
2. Donations are not itemized by year and corporate partner. [Again, The Persuaders is not a nonprofit, so they don&#039;t have to. However, I agree they should disclose.]
3. There are inflated claims of changing the world and saving lives. [Here I disagree. This is an ad, not an academic paper. If I come up with an add that says &quot;there is a 35% probability (95%, CI 33-38) that your donation will reduce the risk of diarrheal disease in a child in Malawi, who then has a 13 % chance (95% CI 10-15) of surviving until the age of 5&quot;, would the average viewer still buy a RED product? No. Would they look at you as if you were crazy? Probably. Advertizing is an art, not a an academic paper.]
4. It isn&#039;t clear if the contribution is going from the RED customer to the beneficiaries, or from the company somehow. [Agreed, this is quite murky and RED should make their business model clear.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with some of the arguments here, but not all. As far as I can tell, there are four criticisms:</p>
<p>1. The Persuaders doesn&#8217;t disclose salary and overhead costs. [But Persuaders is not a nonprofit, so I buy their argument that they don't HAVE to. However, I still think they should disclose to encourage trust.]</p>
<p>2. Donations are not itemized by year and corporate partner. [Again, The Persuaders is not a nonprofit, so they don't have to. However, I agree they should disclose.]</p>
<p>3. There are inflated claims of changing the world and saving lives. [Here I disagree. This is an ad, not an academic paper. If I come up with an add that says "there is a 35% probability (95%, CI 33-38) that your donation will reduce the risk of diarrheal disease in a child in Malawi, who then has a 13 % chance (95% CI 10-15) of surviving until the age of 5", would the average viewer still buy a RED product? No. Would they look at you as if you were crazy? Probably. Advertizing is an art, not a an academic paper.]</p>
<p>4. It isn&#8217;t clear if the contribution is going from the RED customer to the beneficiaries, or from the company somehow. [Agreed, this is quite murky and RED should make their business model clear.]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good, but sometimes I wonder whether these posts give people who want to just ignore the problems a reason to.
If you want to say &quot;AIDS is their problem, not mine&quot; but feel that&#039;s crass, this kind of thinking gives you a way to say &quot;AIDS is a problem but nothing can be done&quot; or &quot;AIDS is a problem but these people don&#039;t do it right so my part is to criticize them, feel smug, and forget I didn&#039;t do anything.&quot; I can&#039;t make this stuff up: http://cpreview.org/issue/dec-2009/africa-disempowered
Perhaps you should sprinkle some praise for their mission and report the amount they have raised (you say they report the cummulative total).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good, but sometimes I wonder whether these posts give people who want to just ignore the problems a reason to.</p>
<p>If you want to say &#8220;AIDS is their problem, not mine&#8221; but feel that&#8217;s crass, this kind of thinking gives you a way to say &#8220;AIDS is a problem but nothing can be done&#8221; or &#8220;AIDS is a problem but these people don&#8217;t do it right so my part is to criticize them, feel smug, and forget I didn&#8217;t do anything.&#8221; I can&#8217;t make this stuff up: <a href="http://cpreview.org/issue/dec-2009/africa-disempowered" rel="nofollow">http://cpreview.org/issue/dec-2009/africa-disempowered</a></p>
<p>Perhaps you should sprinkle some praise for their mission and report the amount they have raised (you say they report the cummulative total).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 19:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t be clear and up front about where the money goes if your marketing strategy relies on a simplistic equation of &quot;buy something cool = save a poor african&quot;.   The image above is a perfect illustration of this strategy.  If RED&#039;s campaign was transparent about where the money went and even how it is managed by the Global Fund, I am fairly certain they would be earning a lot less money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t be clear and up front about where the money goes if your marketing strategy relies on a simplistic equation of &#8220;buy something cool = save a poor african&#8221;.   The image above is a perfect illustration of this strategy.  If RED&#8217;s campaign was transparent about where the money went and even how it is managed by the Global Fund, I am fairly certain they would be earning a lot less money.</p>
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		<title>By: James Edward Dillard</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Edward Dillard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it just be easier (and a more effective marketing strategy) to be clear and up front about where the money is going?
For instance, for every dollar you spend with your Red Starbucks card, 1 cent goes to fund effective clean water non-profits. Then, they could put on your receipt how much you&#039;ve funded (with a rough translation into gallons based on the expenses/output of the water partners) on your receipt just like grocery stores do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it just be easier (and a more effective marketing strategy) to be clear and up front about where the money is going? </p>
<p>For instance, for every dollar you spend with your Red Starbucks card, 1 cent goes to fund effective clean water non-profits. Then, they could put on your receipt how much you&#8217;ve funded (with a rough translation into gallons based on the expenses/output of the water partners) on your receipt just like grocery stores do.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Kubinec</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Kubinec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the Red program is economically impractical solely because they don&#039;t put an explicit surcharge on Red products. Rather it seems like it could be a sophisticated way to price discriminate--some consumers might pay only $290 for an iPod, not $300, but they also have a preference to spend $10 on charity. Ergo, Apple packages that $10 into the iPod and finds a way to maximize revenue without giving an explicit price discount. The good only appeals to those who have an existing preference to support charity and would have given that money to charity regardless of their purchase of an iPod.
This is just one idea... but it seems like it could work in theory at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the Red program is economically impractical solely because they don&#8217;t put an explicit surcharge on Red products. Rather it seems like it could be a sophisticated way to price discriminate&#8211;some consumers might pay only $290 for an iPod, not $300, but they also have a preference to spend $10 on charity. Ergo, Apple packages that $10 into the iPod and finds a way to maximize revenue without giving an explicit price discount. The good only appeals to those who have an existing preference to support charity and would have given that money to charity regardless of their purchase of an iPod.</p>
<p>This is just one idea&#8230; but it seems like it could work in theory at least.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Ogden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Ogden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 14:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And yet, despite all the murkiness, (Red) is far and away the most transparent &quot;embedded giving&quot; program around. Try figuring anything out about practically any other &quot;a portion of the proceeds&quot; program.
This isn&#039;t an argument to vindicate (Red), but an argument that any industry where (Red) is the paragon deserves to be shut down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And yet, despite all the murkiness, (Red) is far and away the most transparent &#8220;embedded giving&#8221; program around. Try figuring anything out about practically any other &#8220;a portion of the proceeds&#8221; program.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t an argument to vindicate (Red), but an argument that any industry where (Red) is the paragon deserves to be shut down.</p>
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