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	<description>just asking that aid benefit the poor</description>
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		<title>By: Raphael</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/11/africa-is-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-7375</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anything important in development have to have a confidence interval associated with it? Does every observation have to have a control group?
Yes, this is one case. Yes, this is an annecdote. But case studies, stories, and annecdotes do have value. They give us deapth, experience, and highlight issues/ideas that a purely quantitative perspective would miss.
I am all for statistical analysis. Better yet, mixed methods. But please remember that there is more than one way of getting at what matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anything important in development have to have a confidence interval associated with it? Does every observation have to have a control group?</p>
<p>Yes, this is one case. Yes, this is an annecdote. But case studies, stories, and annecdotes do have value. They give us deapth, experience, and highlight issues/ideas that a purely quantitative perspective would miss.</p>
<p>I am all for statistical analysis. Better yet, mixed methods. But please remember that there is more than one way of getting at what matters.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 17:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At home, we don’t value people around us only by their numerical income&quot;
Well I spent a few months unemployed here in the UK and I felt pretty undervalued , pretty quickly. I think one of the things we have to learn from Africa is how to find true value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At home, we don’t value people around us only by their numerical income&#8221;</p>
<p>Well I spent a few months unemployed here in the UK and I felt pretty undervalued , pretty quickly. I think one of the things we have to learn from Africa is how to find true value.</p>
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		<title>By: From Poverty to Power by Duncan Green &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Superfreakonomics undone; affirmative action works in India; China&#8217;s carbon; Africa is rich; good ideas with stupid names; three arguments for taxes and it&#8217;s raining polar bear</title>
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		<dc:creator>From Poverty to Power by Duncan Green &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Superfreakonomics undone; affirmative action works in India; China&#8217;s carbon; Africa is rich; good ideas with stupid names; three arguments for taxes and it&#8217;s raining polar bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is rich: Bill Easterly has a magic moment trekking in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: E Aboyeji</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/11/africa-is-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-7298</link>
		<dc:creator>E Aboyeji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Maybe Prof. Easterly hasn’t noticed, but foreign investors – without a penny of aid – seem to do a pretty decent job in creating wealth for the odd billion poor Chinese.&quot;
Funny how libertrians are using half truths peddled by some of Bill&#039;s proteges to bite him in the ass. Someone had better tell this individual that it is the government of china and not &quot;foreign investors&quot; that are responsible for those &quot;odd billion jobs&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maybe Prof. Easterly hasn’t noticed, but foreign investors – without a penny of aid – seem to do a pretty decent job in creating wealth for the odd billion poor Chinese.&#8221;</p>
<p>Funny how libertrians are using half truths peddled by some of Bill&#8217;s proteges to bite him in the ass. Someone had better tell this individual that it is the government of china and not &#8220;foreign investors&#8221; that are responsible for those &#8220;odd billion jobs&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/11/africa-is-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-7297</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich in spirit, rich in culture, perhaps but those are not all that matter just as being rich (in monetary terms) is not all despite what some Westerners think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich in spirit, rich in culture, perhaps but those are not all that matter just as being rich (in monetary terms) is not all despite what some Westerners think.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Hudson</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/11/africa-is-rich/comment-page-1/#comment-7296</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Hudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One response to Bill&#039;s interesting post might be that the excessively dominant economistic paradigm has tended to focus on income as a measure of well-being to the exclusion of other things that can&#039;t be easily quantified.
See the Stiglitz-chaired Commission on the Measurement of Economic Performance and Social Progress for useful consideration of alternatives http://www.stiglitz-sen-fitoussi.fr/en/index.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One response to Bill&#8217;s interesting post might be that the excessively dominant economistic paradigm has tended to focus on income as a measure of well-being to the exclusion of other things that can&#8217;t be easily quantified.</p>
<p>See the Stiglitz-chaired Commission on the Measurement of Economic Performance and Social Progress for useful consideration of alternatives <a href="http://www.stiglitz-sen-fitoussi.fr/en/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.stiglitz-sen-fitoussi.fr/en/index.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Britain’s aid donation won’t tackle root cause of Ethiopian famines &#171; Woolly Days</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britain’s aid donation won’t tackle root cause of Ethiopian famines &#171; Woolly Days</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in cities, compelling them to migrate and making them ruin the land through subdivision. Not everyone agrees that Africa should be judged by western lights. Nevertheless The Times and Morris &amp; Boudreaux, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Avam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: IdealistNYC &quot;namely foreign aid and how to spur economic development in Africa? It leaves us precisely no where. Clearly the entire continent of Africa cannot be sustained by locally operated tourism. So while I’m glad you had a lovely trip, this hardly seems to provide any academic basis for discussion&quot;
I disagree, who said a tourism company could sustain the whole of africa? What can? Would anything of that nature be expected in the West even? (I can&#039;t think of any one thing in the UK that sustains the Entire country, let alone a continent!??). Surely, the point is specifically targeted change/aid/development (however you want to call it) that makes a difference. If you have a job it makes a difference to You and your family/friends and those you come in contact with (both in terms of adding something to society, having money to spend etc.), and although you are an individual it affects the society at large. It is the sum of each individual that adds up to &quot;a society&quot; - so I cannot see how, if this programme is making a difference to some communities, it is pointless because it doesn&#039;t sustain the entire continent. Without sounding overly cliched, and taking on board the necessity of broader macro-level change/aid flows, it is still a truism that small change is part Of larger change.
Re it being poverty porn - isn&#039;t that taking the whole &quot;tourism is the pit of hell itself!&quot; angle a bit too far? I think the dev field suffers when it becomes so PC it is indistinguishable from cultural relativism. Come on, the people in these countries aren&#039;t always/necessarily the naive and completely voiceless people it seems they are so often labeled as. In the case of TEFSA, it would appear to work well, so why does it have to be compared to one that doesn&#039;t work well? That&#039;s like saying &#039;I&#039;m not buying one type of computer&#039;, because &#039;this other type is always breaking&#039;.
Re: How do you distinguish between &#039;cultural education&#039; and &#039;poverty porn&#039; - I would say it has a lot to do with the tour/place in question, how slums are viewed and how the locals (both genders) feel about it. My background is with India, not Africa, and in my experience, Indians (including those living in the slums) are generally quite happy to show people around the slums or other poor areas (regardless of my Own reticence to such an endevour) and 2) while many people want to leave the slums, of course, others do choose to stay - even after changes in income - due to their relations with their neighbours, and indeed the slums are microcosms of entire diverse/working communities. (see one tour below which gives 80% to local NGOS/charities working with the slums)
http://www.realitytoursandtravel.com/default.html
http://travelhappy.info/other-destinations/slum-tours-in-india/
&quot;It seemed to me that the purpose of the tour was not to generate pity, but understanding.&quot;
-Smithsonian Magazine (USA)
Does that mean I think the existence of slums is ok? (no, clearly the aim is better housing for all and eradication of poverty), but the point is that, in this case, the people of India place a Lot of emphasis on community, social engagement and being around people - perhaps due to it being such a diverse and largely populated country - are very entrepreneurial, and are usually keen to show all the aspects of India (poor and rich).
Re the link above, before you judge it too harshly, you might want to look at the &#039;staff&#039; and FAQ page. Like you, I&#039;m also critical about a lot of tourism projects - and I think it&#039;s right to be so (e.g. I&#039;m not a fan of many &#039;eco-tourism&#039; tours) - but surely each tourism project needs to be judged on its own merits with regard to the locals in question - like Any other project would be and not in terms of its worth to an entire country (let alone continent!?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: IdealistNYC &#8220;namely foreign aid and how to spur economic development in Africa? It leaves us precisely no where. Clearly the entire continent of Africa cannot be sustained by locally operated tourism. So while I’m glad you had a lovely trip, this hardly seems to provide any academic basis for discussion&#8221;  </p>
<p>I disagree, who said a tourism company could sustain the whole of africa? What can? Would anything of that nature be expected in the West even? (I can&#8217;t think of any one thing in the UK that sustains the Entire country, let alone a continent!??). Surely, the point is specifically targeted change/aid/development (however you want to call it) that makes a difference. If you have a job it makes a difference to You and your family/friends and those you come in contact with (both in terms of adding something to society, having money to spend etc.), and although you are an individual it affects the society at large. It is the sum of each individual that adds up to &#8220;a society&#8221; &#8211; so I cannot see how, if this programme is making a difference to some communities, it is pointless because it doesn&#8217;t sustain the entire continent. Without sounding overly cliched, and taking on board the necessity of broader macro-level change/aid flows, it is still a truism that small change is part Of larger change.</p>
<p>Re it being poverty porn &#8211; isn&#8217;t that taking the whole &#8220;tourism is the pit of hell itself!&#8221; angle a bit too far? I think the dev field suffers when it becomes so PC it is indistinguishable from cultural relativism. Come on, the people in these countries aren&#8217;t always/necessarily the naive and completely voiceless people it seems they are so often labeled as. In the case of TEFSA, it would appear to work well, so why does it have to be compared to one that doesn&#8217;t work well? That&#8217;s like saying &#8216;I&#8217;m not buying one type of computer&#8217;, because &#8216;this other type is always breaking&#8217;.</p>
<p>Re: How do you distinguish between &#8216;cultural education&#8217; and &#8216;poverty porn&#8217; &#8211; I would say it has a lot to do with the tour/place in question, how slums are viewed and how the locals (both genders) feel about it. My background is with India, not Africa, and in my experience, Indians (including those living in the slums) are generally quite happy to show people around the slums or other poor areas (regardless of my Own reticence to such an endevour) and 2) while many people want to leave the slums, of course, others do choose to stay &#8211; even after changes in income &#8211; due to their relations with their neighbours, and indeed the slums are microcosms of entire diverse/working communities. (see one tour below which gives 80% to local NGOS/charities working with the slums)<br />
<a href="http://www.realitytoursandtravel.com/default.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realitytoursandtravel.com/default.html</a><br />
<a href="http://travelhappy.info/other-destinations/slum-tours-in-india/" rel="nofollow">http://travelhappy.info/other-destinations/slum-tours-in-india/</a><br />
&#8220;It seemed to me that the purpose of the tour was not to generate pity, but understanding.&#8221;<br />
-Smithsonian Magazine (USA)</p>
<p>Does that mean I think the existence of slums is ok? (no, clearly the aim is better housing for all and eradication of poverty), but the point is that, in this case, the people of India place a Lot of emphasis on community, social engagement and being around people &#8211; perhaps due to it being such a diverse and largely populated country &#8211; are very entrepreneurial, and are usually keen to show all the aspects of India (poor and rich).</p>
<p>Re the link above, before you judge it too harshly, you might want to look at the &#8217;staff&#8217; and FAQ page. Like you, I&#8217;m also critical about a lot of tourism projects &#8211; and I think it&#8217;s right to be so (e.g. I&#8217;m not a fan of many &#8216;eco-tourism&#8217; tours) &#8211; but surely each tourism project needs to be judged on its own merits with regard to the locals in question &#8211; like Any other project would be and not in terms of its worth to an entire country (let alone continent!?)</p>
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		<title>By: geckonomist</title>
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		<dc:creator>geckonomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with IdealistNYC.
Moreover,
I hope there was no individual who tried to open a guesthouse in that neighbourhood with his own money.  He&#039;d now be bust because of the free aid money his competitors received and probably keep receiving, in the name of sustainability.
I also don&#039;t understand why it &#039;s important to be ethiopian owned.  If I open a guesthouse in Africa, is that supposed to be less good according to Prof. Easterly?    but when I die and the guesthouse goes to my kids - with African citizenship- the same investment is suddenly so much better?
Maybe Prof. Easterly hasn&#039;t noticed, but foreign investors - without a penny of aid - seem to do a pretty decent job in creating wealth for the odd  billion poor Chinese.
But indeed, let&#039;s &quot;buy american&quot; in the US, and go Ethiopian in Ethiopia.
Next year Prof. Easterly should go hiking in N-Korea. There must be goldmines of happiness to found as well.  Can&#039;t wait for the report.
And it&#039;s a real pity Prof. Easterly didn&#039;t collect anecdotal evidence concerning the auction system for commodities that was the subject of a previous post here.  He must have had the chance to ask the farmgate prices for coffee, wheat, etc. , who was buying, the government meddling, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with IdealistNYC.<br />
Moreover,<br />
I hope there was no individual who tried to open a guesthouse in that neighbourhood with his own money.  He&#8217;d now be bust because of the free aid money his competitors received and probably keep receiving, in the name of sustainability.   </p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t understand why it &#8217;s important to be ethiopian owned.  If I open a guesthouse in Africa, is that supposed to be less good according to Prof. Easterly?    but when I die and the guesthouse goes to my kids &#8211; with African citizenship- the same investment is suddenly so much better?  </p>
<p>Maybe Prof. Easterly hasn&#8217;t noticed, but foreign investors &#8211; without a penny of aid &#8211; seem to do a pretty decent job in creating wealth for the odd  billion poor Chinese.<br />
But indeed, let&#8217;s &#8220;buy american&#8221; in the US, and go Ethiopian in Ethiopia.<br />
Next year Prof. Easterly should go hiking in N-Korea. There must be goldmines of happiness to found as well.  Can&#8217;t wait for the report.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s a real pity Prof. Easterly didn&#8217;t collect anecdotal evidence concerning the auction system for commodities that was the subject of a previous post here.  He must have had the chance to ask the farmgate prices for coffee, wheat, etc. , who was buying, the government meddling, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ idealistNYC
&quot;How do you know the people you met were happy?&quot;
Should we hook them up to a neurological monitor to track their serotonin levels?  Why not use something called social intelligence, you may have heard of it.
The happinesss monitoring racket is the most autistic branch of experimental economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ idealistNYC<br />
&#8220;How do you know the people you met were happy?&#8221;<br />
Should we hook them up to a neurological monitor to track their serotonin levels?  Why not use something called social intelligence, you may have heard of it.</p>
<p>The happinesss monitoring racket is the most autistic branch of experimental economics.</p>
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