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	<title>Comments on: Africa desperately needs trade links: a pictorial essay</title>
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	<description>just asking that aid benefit the poor</description>
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		<title>By: Douglas Barnes</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/09/africa-desperately-needs-trade-links-a-pictorial-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-6493</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some marginally more useful statistics (although one wonders about numbers like the 102,000 Internet &quot;users&quot; in Somalia...)
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Reporting/ShowReportFrame.aspx?ReportName=/WTI/InformationTechnologyPublic&amp;RP_intYear=2008&amp;RP_intLanguageID=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Reporting/ShowReportFrame.aspx?ReportName=/WTI/InformationTechnologyPublic&amp;RP_intYear=2008&amp;RP_intLanguageID=1&lt;/a&gt;
The methodology is here, and acknowledges the inherent flakiness of the &quot;user&quot; statistic -- subscriptions are also apparently self-reported by the industry, which is likely prone to distortions as well.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Indicators/WTI_Technotes.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Indicators/WTI_Technotes.pdf&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some marginally more useful statistics (although one wonders about numbers like the 102,000 Internet &#8220;users&#8221; in Somalia&#8230;)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Reporting/ShowReportFrame.aspx?ReportName=/WTI/InformationTechnologyPublic&#038;RP_intYear=2008&#038;RP_intLanguageID=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Reporting/ShowReportFrame.aspx?ReportName=/WTI/InformationTechnologyPublic&#038;RP_intYear=2008&#038;RP_intLanguageID=1</a></p>
<p>The methodology is here, and acknowledges the inherent flakiness of the &#8220;user&#8221; statistic &#8212; subscriptions are also apparently self-reported by the industry, which is likely prone to distortions as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Indicators/WTI_Technotes.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.itu.int/ITU-D/icteye/Indicators/WTI_Technotes.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Nwabu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nwabu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 22:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Douglas: Bandwidth in the US may be uneven but service provisioning is a lot easier in an America where 70-80% live in cities or near cities (and 60% on the eastern seaboard where most of the cables land) than an Africa where less than 40% do. Add the fact that America is at least 30 times richer than Africa and has the capital to lay nationwide fibre backbones unlike Africa which has to make do mostly with satellite (i.e. Nigeria, Ghana, Benin even after SAT-3).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Douglas: Bandwidth in the US may be uneven but service provisioning is a lot easier in an America where 70-80% live in cities or near cities (and 60% on the eastern seaboard where most of the cables land) than an Africa where less than 40% do. Add the fact that America is at least 30 times richer than Africa and has the capital to lay nationwide fibre backbones unlike Africa which has to make do mostly with satellite (i.e. Nigeria, Ghana, Benin even after SAT-3).</p>
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		<title>By: Iyinoluwa Aboyeji</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iyinoluwa Aboyeji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fimbo
Perhaps you should also consider that the one thing Africans and South Americans have in common in that they are both conquered peoples-that naturally means the serve , sadly till today, their imposed &quot;homelands&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fimbo</p>
<p>Perhaps you should also consider that the one thing Africans and South Americans have in common in that they are both conquered peoples-that naturally means the serve , sadly till today, their imposed &#8220;homelands&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realized shortly after posting that bandwidth delivered to a country has obvious limitations as well.  For instance the U.S. itself has very uneven delivery to actual people in many areas, despite  setting at the crux of a very large fraction of global bandwidth.
Given that there is fairly decent geolocation available for IP addresses (the original map is from a company that does geolocation, in fact) what you want to do is measure something that is correlated to individual usage which originates from an African IP address.  Even if measured from a US- or EU-centric perspective, it would tend to show use of the Internet for external-facing uses.
@Mike:
You can lead a horse to water, etc.  If you read the Wired article I referenced above you&#039;ll get a feel for the time lines that these things are planned on, and I suspect that at some point someone thought things were going to get better eventually.  My guess is that the drop will be potential rather than actual until it makes some sort of sense.
@Iyinoluwa Aboyeji:
This leads to your point -- if one looks at the submarine cable map of the U.S., one reason there can be such massive concentrations of cable landings in a few spots is that there is a tremendous amount of diverse and reliable internal bandwidth.  No such luck in Africa (or S. America, for that matter).  Just worked on a deal that dependent on a lot of intra S. America bandwidth and for a number of countries it was easier to run it through the U.S rather than from country to country. (This is only partly an infrastructure problem -- it&#039;s also a regulatory one, see below.)
@joe:
Governance indeed, and the willingness of countries to open the telecoms market to competition.  My anecdotal experience in the the Caribbean taught me that bandwidth-dependent IT development wasn&#039;t just a factor of landing the cable, but geting past the local C&amp;W monopoly.  Presumably there are similar problems in Africa.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized shortly after posting that bandwidth delivered to a country has obvious limitations as well.  For instance the U.S. itself has very uneven delivery to actual people in many areas, despite  setting at the crux of a very large fraction of global bandwidth.</p>
<p>Given that there is fairly decent geolocation available for IP addresses (the original map is from a company that does geolocation, in fact) what you want to do is measure something that is correlated to individual usage which originates from an African IP address.  Even if measured from a US- or EU-centric perspective, it would tend to show use of the Internet for external-facing uses.</p>
<p>@Mike:</p>
<p>You can lead a horse to water, etc.  If you read the Wired article I referenced above you&#8217;ll get a feel for the time lines that these things are planned on, and I suspect that at some point someone thought things were going to get better eventually.  My guess is that the drop will be potential rather than actual until it makes some sort of sense.</p>
<p>@Iyinoluwa Aboyeji:</p>
<p>This leads to your point &#8212; if one looks at the submarine cable map of the U.S., one reason there can be such massive concentrations of cable landings in a few spots is that there is a tremendous amount of diverse and reliable internal bandwidth.  No such luck in Africa (or S. America, for that matter).  Just worked on a deal that dependent on a lot of intra S. America bandwidth and for a number of countries it was easier to run it through the U.S rather than from country to country. (This is only partly an infrastructure problem &#8212; it&#8217;s also a regulatory one, see below.)</p>
<p>@joe:</p>
<p>Governance indeed, and the willingness of countries to open the telecoms market to competition.  My anecdotal experience in the the Caribbean taught me that bandwidth-dependent IT development wasn&#8217;t just a factor of landing the cable, but geting past the local C&#038;W monopoly.  Presumably there are similar problems in Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The times are a-changing. East Africa is now benefiting from the SEACOM cable that came online in July. Four new cables are expected by 2011 in West Africa. The impacts could be huge. Good governance will be key. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.watradehub.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=1387&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.watradehub.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=1387&lt;/a&gt;
Excellent maps! Thanks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The times are a-changing. East Africa is now benefiting from the SEACOM cable that came online in July. Four new cables are expected by 2011 in West Africa. The impacts could be huge. Good governance will be key. <a href="http://www.watradehub.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=1387" rel="nofollow">http://www.watradehub.com/index.php?option=com_content&#038;task=view&#038;id=1387</a></p>
<p>Excellent maps! Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Salguod: An interesting point, and interesting map, too. On the map, it looks like Mogadishu is getting a broadband linkup? Is there an untapped market there?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Salguod: An interesting point, and interesting map, too. On the map, it looks like Mogadishu is getting a broadband linkup? Is there an untapped market there?</p>
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		<title>By: Different Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Different Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SS,
Your comment reminds me of that famous Robert Solow quote:
&quot;Everything reminds Milton Friedman of the money supply. Everything reminds me of sex, but I try to keep it out of my papers.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SS,</p>
<p>Your comment reminds me of that famous Robert Solow quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Everything reminds Milton Friedman of the money supply. Everything reminds me of sex, but I try to keep it out of my papers.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you get naked women off your mind you can really do some intelligent thinking.  The nice thing would be to keep them off, at least in public and contribute.  You will find in turn that they will appreciate you that much more.
SS
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you get naked women off your mind you can really do some intelligent thinking.  The nice thing would be to keep them off, at least in public and contribute.  You will find in turn that they will appreciate you that much more.</p>
<p>SS</p>
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		<title>By: Ishema Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ishema Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Africa need to be connected with the world.
The lack of infrastructure can explain the fact that none (except french and belgian multinational) want to invest in Africa.
Look a country like Cameroon or DRC; nothing have been done in those two countries to improve roads and other infrastructures facilities for decades.
How do you want to attract investors in your country if you are not able to provide electricity without ten interruption in a day? How could you attract tourist if there is only one flight a week to go to your country?
There is so many absurdities and nonsense in the way Africans leaders think.
One of the solutions to improve the situation would be:
1. oblige multinationals operating in Africa to publish the royalties that they pay to the African government and  oblige especially the french multinational to pay the real price of what they extract.
the second one ; Promote regional economic bodies like ECOWA, EAC, SADC etc.... Only them could be enough powerful, if the African leader want, to conduct economic, financial reforms
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Africa need to be connected with the world.</p>
<p>The lack of infrastructure can explain the fact that none (except french and belgian multinational) want to invest in Africa.</p>
<p>Look a country like Cameroon or DRC; nothing have been done in those two countries to improve roads and other infrastructures facilities for decades.</p>
<p>How do you want to attract investors in your country if you are not able to provide electricity without ten interruption in a day? How could you attract tourist if there is only one flight a week to go to your country?</p>
<p>There is so many absurdities and nonsense in the way Africans leaders think.</p>
<p>One of the solutions to improve the situation would be:</p>
<p>1. oblige multinationals operating in Africa to publish the royalties that they pay to the African government and  oblige especially the french multinational to pay the real price of what they extract.</p>
<p>the second one ; Promote regional economic bodies like ECOWA, EAC, SADC etc&#8230;. Only them could be enough powerful, if the African leader want, to conduct economic, financial reforms</p>
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		<title>By: Wamunyima Kufakwandi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wamunyima Kufakwandi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all the natural resources Africa has, it is in need of trade links because this would allow Africa to be self-sufficient at some point in time.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all the natural resources Africa has, it is in need of trade links because this would allow Africa to be self-sufficient at some point in time.</p>
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