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	<description>just asking that aid benefit the poor</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Strong</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/07/joe-stiglitz-preaches-markets-to-poor-countries/comment-page-1/#comment-5775</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Strong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m very glad to see this.  Foreign Policy recently published a real Marxist promoting Marxism,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4856&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4856&lt;/a&gt;

the kind of insanity I thought we were done with once and for all.  In the face of this kind of real danger, Stiglitz&#039; remarks do redeem him slightly, though I&#039;ll never forgive him for endorsing Naomi Klein&#039;s book.  A bit more context on why this issue is important,

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailyspeculations.com/wordpress/?p=3862&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.dailyspeculations.com/wordpress/?p=3862&lt;/a&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m very glad to see this.  Foreign Policy recently published a real Marxist promoting Marxism,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4856" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4856</a></p>
<p>the kind of insanity I thought we were done with once and for all.  In the face of this kind of real danger, Stiglitz&#8217; remarks do redeem him slightly, though I&#8217;ll never forgive him for endorsing Naomi Klein&#8217;s book.  A bit more context on why this issue is important,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailyspeculations.com/wordpress/?p=3862" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailyspeculations.com/wordpress/?p=3862</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bill Easterly</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/07/joe-stiglitz-preaches-markets-to-poor-countries/comment-page-1/#comment-5774</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Easterly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though I already quoted two of my own columns on this piece, I still overlooked an opportunity for self-promotion -- quoting yet another column I did in Forbes in January 2009 that also noted how economists are returning to orthodoxy:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/29/davos-economic-basics-opinions-contributors_0130_william_easterly.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/29/davos-economic-basics-opinions-contributors_0130_william_easterly.html&lt;/a&gt;

More serious than my excessive self-promotion is how widespread this &quot;back to basics&quot; movement is.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I already quoted two of my own columns on this piece, I still overlooked an opportunity for self-promotion &#8212; quoting yet another column I did in Forbes in January 2009 that also noted how economists are returning to orthodoxy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/29/davos-economic-basics-opinions-contributors_0130_william_easterly.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/29/davos-economic-basics-opinions-contributors_0130_william_easterly.html</a></p>
<p>More serious than my excessive self-promotion is how widespread this &#8220;back to basics&#8221; movement is.</p>
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		<title>By: Per Kurowski</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/07/joe-stiglitz-preaches-markets-to-poor-countries/comment-page-1/#comment-5773</link>
		<dc:creator>Per Kurowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:26:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stiglitz is a bit useless since being so busy with politics and the fighting with free-marketers he is incapable of detecting what the financial regulators in Basel did to development when they, on top of what the market already charges for risk, arbitrarily concocted some minimum capital requirements based on a vaguely defined risk as measured by the credit rating agencies.

According to these regulations if you can hustle up a triple-A rating then the bank lending you capital needs only to back your loan with 1.6 percent in equity but if you are a poor unrated corporation then they have to put up 8 percent... and guess who pays for that?

These regulations lowered the flag for the big global race after the triple-As and, in just a couple of years, over 2 trillion dollars followed the triple-As to finance the increase of values of houses in the US, instead of financing other much more useful things like mitigating climate change, creating sustainable jobs and others.

Psst! Why don’t we just throw out some of the dinosaurs so that we can do some good thinking inside the box instead of us always being told to go outside to think? &lt;a href=&quot;http://subprimeregulations.blogspot.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://subprimeregulations.blogspot.com/&lt;/a&gt;

Now in the midst of the crisis why do we not discuss more what we want to get out of our banking system so that next time we get a financial hangover, as we surely will, the party has at least been worth it.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stiglitz is a bit useless since being so busy with politics and the fighting with free-marketers he is incapable of detecting what the financial regulators in Basel did to development when they, on top of what the market already charges for risk, arbitrarily concocted some minimum capital requirements based on a vaguely defined risk as measured by the credit rating agencies.</p>
<p>According to these regulations if you can hustle up a triple-A rating then the bank lending you capital needs only to back your loan with 1.6 percent in equity but if you are a poor unrated corporation then they have to put up 8 percent&#8230; and guess who pays for that?</p>
<p>These regulations lowered the flag for the big global race after the triple-As and, in just a couple of years, over 2 trillion dollars followed the triple-As to finance the increase of values of houses in the US, instead of financing other much more useful things like mitigating climate change, creating sustainable jobs and others.</p>
<p>Psst! Why don’t we just throw out some of the dinosaurs so that we can do some good thinking inside the box instead of us always being told to go outside to think? <a href="http://subprimeregulations.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://subprimeregulations.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Now in the midst of the crisis why do we not discuss more what we want to get out of our banking system so that next time we get a financial hangover, as we surely will, the party has at least been worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/07/joe-stiglitz-preaches-markets-to-poor-countries/comment-page-1/#comment-5772</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 04:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How patronizing rich-country economists are:)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How patronizing rich-country economists are:)</p>
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		<title>By: zulusafari</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/07/joe-stiglitz-preaches-markets-to-poor-countries/comment-page-1/#comment-5771</link>
		<dc:creator>zulusafari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great conversation happening right now at whiteafrican.com over capitalism in Uganda (in the context of should &#039;we&#039; charge the &#039;poor&#039; or should services be free for Google&#039;s new SMS service there).

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great conversation happening right now at whiteafrican.com over capitalism in Uganda (in the context of should &#8216;we&#8217; charge the &#8216;poor&#8217; or should services be free for Google&#8217;s new SMS service there).</p>
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		<title>By: geckonomist</title>
		<link>http://aidwatchers.com/2009/07/joe-stiglitz-preaches-markets-to-poor-countries/comment-page-1/#comment-5770</link>
		<dc:creator>geckonomist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think every poor country will follow its own path. Some will be governed well, others stagnate, and still others will do badly. As usual, the results will be completely random.

I am sure Stiglitz &amp; Co will afterwards give a reason for the success stories and thus explain the consequence. That&#039;s what economists tend to do for a living.

His fears and predictions don&#039;t matter, however important he thinks his dogma of the market and democracy may be.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think every poor country will follow its own path. Some will be governed well, others stagnate, and still others will do badly. As usual, the results will be completely random.</p>
<p>I am sure Stiglitz &#038; Co will afterwards give a reason for the success stories and thus explain the consequence. That&#8217;s what economists tend to do for a living.</p>
<p>His fears and predictions don&#8217;t matter, however important he thinks his dogma of the market and democracy may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, your article is not &#039;nearly identical&#039; to Stiglitz&#039;s at all. Stiglitz takes a much more nuanced view, arguing that &quot;what is required for success is a regime where the roles of market and government are in balance&quot; but that developing countries which were subjected to hypocritical and destructive neoliberal policies by the IMF or which swung to a Friedmanite extreme after the collapse of communism will give up on markets altogether. Reading your stuff, anyone would think that free markets and minimalist government was a sure-fire route to prosperity for all, which Stiglitz would vigorously contest, correctly in my view.

Stiglitz is also quite clear that &quot;Today only the deluded would argue that markets are self-correcting or that we can rely on the self-interested behavior of market participants to guarantee that everything works honestly and properly.&quot; Would you agree with that? Your recent writings and the fact that you think the worst that could happen is that we return to the policy regime of the first few post-war decades (a regime which helped deliver remarkably high growth in rich and poor countries, by the way) suggest otherwise.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, your article is not &#8216;nearly identical&#8217; to Stiglitz&#8217;s at all. Stiglitz takes a much more nuanced view, arguing that &#8220;what is required for success is a regime where the roles of market and government are in balance&#8221; but that developing countries which were subjected to hypocritical and destructive neoliberal policies by the IMF or which swung to a Friedmanite extreme after the collapse of communism will give up on markets altogether. Reading your stuff, anyone would think that free markets and minimalist government was a sure-fire route to prosperity for all, which Stiglitz would vigorously contest, correctly in my view.</p>
<p>Stiglitz is also quite clear that &#8220;Today only the deluded would argue that markets are self-correcting or that we can rely on the self-interested behavior of market participants to guarantee that everything works honestly and properly.&#8221; Would you agree with that? Your recent writings and the fact that you think the worst that could happen is that we return to the policy regime of the first few post-war decades (a regime which helped deliver remarkably high growth in rich and poor countries, by the way) suggest otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government subsidies and financial support for various private industries in USA creates unfair competition.  And other countries have to provide similar support for their private companies in order to avoid loosing out.

The only problem is that poor countries don&#039;t have the money to support their private companies like that.  Their only possible defense against unfair competition is tariffs and regulatory trade barriers.

There is already a situation like that in agricultural trade.  Agricultural subsidies in the rich countries have prompted the poor countries to create trade barriers for agricultural products.  And the same might eventually happen for all industries that USA and other rich countries choose to subsidize.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government subsidies and financial support for various private industries in USA creates unfair competition.  And other countries have to provide similar support for their private companies in order to avoid loosing out.</p>
<p>The only problem is that poor countries don&#8217;t have the money to support their private companies like that.  Their only possible defense against unfair competition is tariffs and regulatory trade barriers.</p>
<p>There is already a situation like that in agricultural trade.  Agricultural subsidies in the rich countries have prompted the poor countries to create trade barriers for agricultural products.  And the same might eventually happen for all industries that USA and other rich countries choose to subsidize.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noted this in Southern Sudan. We had some seminars in Juba by African leaders about economic growth, and several comments were made about whether we should be following America&#039;s lead and nationalising firms and banks. Bad news.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noted this in Southern Sudan. We had some seminars in Juba by African leaders about economic growth, and several comments were made about whether we should be following America&#8217;s lead and nationalising firms and banks. Bad news.</p>
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