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	<title>Comments on: Response from tourism operator to &#8220;Should starving people be tourist attractions&#8221;</title>
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	<description>just asking that aid benefit the poor</description>
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		<title>By: Manuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 03:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, prof. Easterly, for posting this extremely interesting response. While we wait for your rejoinder, I would like to express some disagreement with some of the above comments. Maybe this kind of touristic activity is disgusting per se to our (relatively rich) eyes. Maybe there would be better potential alternatives in a counterfactual world. But, if the information provided by the Eos Director General is accurate, this is a local entrepreneurial initiative, and so we can consider it better than several real alternatives involving aid handouts linked to rich-world patronizing, following the kind of argumentation repeately expressed through this blog. In fact, millions of individuals in the developed Western World earn their survival (more than that, their living) by willingly involving themselves in de-humanizing activities. Reading this post, I do not like this particular initiative very much, but I find that some of the criticisms to it have a certain flavour reminding me of the kind of Sachs-esque worldview prof. Easterly criticises so eagerly.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, prof. Easterly, for posting this extremely interesting response. While we wait for your rejoinder, I would like to express some disagreement with some of the above comments. Maybe this kind of touristic activity is disgusting per se to our (relatively rich) eyes. Maybe there would be better potential alternatives in a counterfactual world. But, if the information provided by the Eos Director General is accurate, this is a local entrepreneurial initiative, and so we can consider it better than several real alternatives involving aid handouts linked to rich-world patronizing, following the kind of argumentation repeately expressed through this blog. In fact, millions of individuals in the developed Western World earn their survival (more than that, their living) by willingly involving themselves in de-humanizing activities. Reading this post, I do not like this particular initiative very much, but I find that some of the criticisms to it have a certain flavour reminding me of the kind of Sachs-esque worldview prof. Easterly criticises so eagerly.</p>
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		<title>By: Sceptical Secondo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sceptical Secondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 02:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ several:
I hear an awful lot of planners&#039; thinking.
Let&#039;s cross one river at a time, eh???!!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ several:</p>
<p>I hear an awful lot of planners&#8217; thinking.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s cross one river at a time, eh???!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main take away from this blog in general seems to be this:
1) for the sake of your reputation and the world, steer your career clear of anything other than making money for yourself.
2) especially if you&#039;re famous, be selfish. If you care about problems like poverty, keep your mouth shut.
3) only about 5 people in the world know anything about development and aid. Everyone else trying to do something is borderline evil.
4) If you think you&#039;re part of the solution, you&#039;re really part of the problem.
5)private sector take heed: doing a little to help is usually worse than doing nothing at all.
6) misguided good intentions should be dealt with harshly, with righteous indignation, rather than nudged toward more effective paths.
How bout at some point looking at the good intentions of this blog with an eye to whether it&#039;s really helping &quot;aid benefit the poor,&quot; or &quot;just asking.&quot;
Anyway, I&#039;m taking my tourist dollars to Vegas, baby, to be on the safe side.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main take away from this blog in general seems to be this:</p>
<p>1) for the sake of your reputation and the world, steer your career clear of anything other than making money for yourself.</p>
<p>2) especially if you&#8217;re famous, be selfish. If you care about problems like poverty, keep your mouth shut.</p>
<p>3) only about 5 people in the world know anything about development and aid. Everyone else trying to do something is borderline evil.</p>
<p>4) If you think you&#8217;re part of the solution, you&#8217;re really part of the problem.</p>
<p>5)private sector take heed: doing a little to help is usually worse than doing nothing at all.</p>
<p>6) misguided good intentions should be dealt with harshly, with righteous indignation, rather than nudged toward more effective paths.</p>
<p>How bout at some point looking at the good intentions of this blog with an eye to whether it&#8217;s really helping &#8220;aid benefit the poor,&#8221; or &#8220;just asking.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m taking my tourist dollars to Vegas, baby, to be on the safe side.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Micheal,
Thanks indeed for informative response. I personally think it is good to try different market approaches to start/spur local developments. Of course, not all market principles might suit local institutions, norms, and traditions. Maybe some kind of synthesises must be cautiously analysed and in discussion with local participation applied. Haven&#039;t we for a quite long time now argueing that aid is bad we need market driven development in African poverty striken communities? I think we souldn&#039;t get rid of or discourage people to dis-act. We should suggest ways of improvement if we can but not stop people from their efforts to help. Some of you might be saying mere $25 each but have you been able to do that? How much have you contributed and from that how much of that contribution you can be sure that reached the really needy? some of us might recommend to watch documentaries on HIV/AIDS in NYC cinemas as awareness. Don&#039;t you think you as a developed nation and we as developing or at least little better of than Africa nations already know enough about the causes or scale of problems in Africa? I think we do. But we have been less courages to act...try something and maybe fail.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Micheal,</p>
<p>Thanks indeed for informative response. I personally think it is good to try different market approaches to start/spur local developments. Of course, not all market principles might suit local institutions, norms, and traditions. Maybe some kind of synthesises must be cautiously analysed and in discussion with local participation applied. Haven&#8217;t we for a quite long time now argueing that aid is bad we need market driven development in African poverty striken communities? I think we souldn&#8217;t get rid of or discourage people to dis-act. We should suggest ways of improvement if we can but not stop people from their efforts to help. Some of you might be saying mere $25 each but have you been able to do that? How much have you contributed and from that how much of that contribution you can be sure that reached the really needy? some of us might recommend to watch documentaries on HIV/AIDS in NYC cinemas as awareness. Don&#8217;t you think you as a developed nation and we as developing or at least little better of than Africa nations already know enough about the causes or scale of problems in Africa? I think we do. But we have been less courages to act&#8230;try something and maybe fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s look at the figures. The 488 tourists have contributed a grand total of just over $12,000 to the dozens of locals working in the village, that&#039;s around $25 each.
How much did the holiday cost them? At a conservative estimate $2,000 though more likely to be more. So there&#039;s a million dollars spent to give $12,000 to a village.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look at the figures. The 488 tourists have contributed a grand total of just over $12,000 to the dozens of locals working in the village, that&#8217;s around $25 each.</p>
<p>How much did the holiday cost them? At a conservative estimate $2,000 though more likely to be more. So there&#8217;s a million dollars spent to give $12,000 to a village.</p>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Geckonomist and Diane
It seems to me that similar activities are carried by study abroad programs in westerner universities. But implied from some of the bloggers’ opinions, it seems like when “poverty tourism” is rather administered by a tourism company it becomes disgusting and de-humanizing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Geckonomist and Diane</p>
<p>It seems to me that similar activities are carried by study abroad programs in westerner universities. But implied from some of the bloggers’ opinions, it seems like when “poverty tourism” is rather administered by a tourism company it becomes disgusting and de-humanizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is typical of the &quot;poverty porn&quot; that is perpetuated by well-meaning individuals and organizations that disregard the dignity of people.
por·nog·ra·phy(n): the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction.
How do we know if there is truely a market being served or if the market is being created to satisfy the supply.
There are places in Bangkok that are created to meet the demand of horny old perverted men that want to have sex with little girls.  Does meeting the demand make it justified?  The sex trade certainly pumps millions of dollars into the Thai economy.  There are ethical and moral issues that also must be taken into account.  I am not implying that the MVP is unethical or immoral.  There are complicated issues that are involved here.
I would like to know what the exit strategy is for this particular organization to hand over control and management to the local community.  For this project to be about empowerment and grassroots sustainability there must be willingness for the non-Africans to walk away from the project at some point.
In my job as a consultant in corporate America my attitude was that my job was to eliminate my job.  That is the same mission and vision that organizations like this need to have to be truely effective.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is typical of the &#8220;poverty porn&#8221; that is perpetuated by well-meaning individuals and organizations that disregard the dignity of people.</p>
<p>por·nog·ra·phy(n): the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction.</p>
<p>How do we know if there is truely a market being served or if the market is being created to satisfy the supply.</p>
<p>There are places in Bangkok that are created to meet the demand of horny old perverted men that want to have sex with little girls.  Does meeting the demand make it justified?  The sex trade certainly pumps millions of dollars into the Thai economy.  There are ethical and moral issues that also must be taken into account.  I am not implying that the MVP is unethical or immoral.  There are complicated issues that are involved here.</p>
<p>I would like to know what the exit strategy is for this particular organization to hand over control and management to the local community.  For this project to be about empowerment and grassroots sustainability there must be willingness for the non-Africans to walk away from the project at some point.</p>
<p>In my job as a consultant in corporate America my attitude was that my job was to eliminate my job.  That is the same mission and vision that organizations like this need to have to be truely effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Moussa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moussa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post does not answer the prime question from the earlier post.
If you had a market for pornography (yes, the actual) in the MDV with the consent of the local, would you have set up a porn tour? I guess, no, and the reason is a similar reason your critics are raising.
Regarding the villagers&#039; involvement, I have seen many instances of this situation where in fact the villagers are guided to choose what is planned for them. A friend of mine was joking a few days ago about that regarding the CDDP (Community driven Development Projects) that he is working on with the WB.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post does not answer the prime question from the earlier post.</p>
<p>If you had a market for pornography (yes, the actual) in the MDV with the consent of the local, would you have set up a porn tour? I guess, no, and the reason is a similar reason your critics are raising.</p>
<p>Regarding the villagers&#8217; involvement, I have seen many instances of this situation where in fact the villagers are guided to choose what is planned for them. A friend of mine was joking a few days ago about that regarding the CDDP (Community driven Development Projects) that he is working on with the WB.</p>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about solidarity tours, no profits, labor and cultural exchanges, we can learn what a truly family and people based society is like recalling some of our ancestral values, learn about living with nature and the Africans could learn about modernity from us!  It would take truly socialist values to implement something like this, starting with respect for other people.
SS
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about solidarity tours, no profits, labor and cultural exchanges, we can learn what a truly family and people based society is like recalling some of our ancestral values, learn about living with nature and the Africans could learn about modernity from us!  It would take truly socialist values to implement something like this, starting with respect for other people.</p>
<p>SS</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this has been a really constructive conversation, but personally I can&#039;t help but agree with &quot;geckonomist&quot; and Diane, who point out the de-humanizing aspect of such an endeavor. And I truly don&#039;t think having Rwandans involved is an automatic protection of the people living in the MDV. I don&#039;t doubt that, like most development projects, there were good intentions and good people behind the vision, but in the end, I can&#039;t help but see it as anything more than a zoo of sorts. And the company&#039;s clients should be the most ashamed for spending their money on an &quot;educational vacation&quot; that treats people like objects to be judged and gawked at. There are more *appropriate* ways of educating oneself on poverty and better ways of pumping money into the local economy. Just because there is a market demand there doesn&#039;t mean it should be exploited.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this has been a really constructive conversation, but personally I can&#8217;t help but agree with &#8220;geckonomist&#8221; and Diane, who point out the de-humanizing aspect of such an endeavor. And I truly don&#8217;t think having Rwandans involved is an automatic protection of the people living in the MDV. I don&#8217;t doubt that, like most development projects, there were good intentions and good people behind the vision, but in the end, I can&#8217;t help but see it as anything more than a zoo of sorts. And the company&#8217;s clients should be the most ashamed for spending their money on an &#8220;educational vacation&#8221; that treats people like objects to be judged and gawked at. There are more *appropriate* ways of educating oneself on poverty and better ways of pumping money into the local economy. Just because there is a market demand there doesn&#8217;t mean it should be exploited.</p>
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